David good to see you again I'm Aaron
Hi yes folks I saw you in Ventura yeah yeah we're hanging out back there at Skull & Roses. That was a great time!
Welcome David thanks for coming back this is Mel.
I'm sorry Mel? Are you were owed and I'll pull they thank you for joining us again and happy all yes apple that's my last name everybody gets easier than James easier than James well everybody that is interesting life yeah yes yes David how's your day you know it this Hey I've been my mantra lately it's been module of the outside world everything's just fine it's weird that the contrast between health fucked up everything else is and how good my life is is sometimes like makes my head want to crack seriously yes a thousand percent yes wow right I actually was thinking about that two hours ago words of truth just a couple of hours ago man like it is it's an escape and no and and it's funny David because like I don't know is is somebody that loves live music and I like to think that we have cultivated a sense or whatever it is I don't know what you call it just we we're tuned to feeling stuff we feel the music so we feel shit intuition okay intuition can call it that N. you can't help but feel the pressure of the world right now but then there's this juxtaposition with like seems like everybody I know like things are just moving at a thousand miles an hour for a minute everything is good I know lots of people that are struggling upon various levels and stuff so I wouldn't have far but it's just in you know there there and there's plenty to do and plenty that needs doing all around us and we take our opportunities to do all of that and I don't feel guilty if we're all entitled to have our own lives and since we can't personally fix the ills of the world I don't think we should allow our concern for all of that to impede our own pursuit of our own lives you know say they've stood head ma'am a Goldman said if we can't dance I don't want to be in your revolution or something yeah and I I can kids I don't have it handy but somewhere in my blog I posted a thing from somebody that talked about you know we are we're required to live our lives in the fact that other people are suffering does not require us to suffer with them it requires us to do what we can to help but we you know we don't need to deny ourselves the joy of our own lives because other people are suffering we just need to not make it worse for anybody else yeah I mean I feel like that's all I needed to hear today truly interviewed nice well look better in that right off the bat it's that's so true everybody's going through such changes even if we are doing well like there is lots of newness that we're having to deal with that has never happened before so even the people that are doing you know well and have happy things to celebrate and all that it's still %HESITATION such a unique time and %HESITATION really the only thing like you said it's just don't hurt others or don't do anything to him you know crush on their groove you're so right yes in you know David D. you've been around long enough to see cycles over and over again and you know something I'm fifty I turned fifty this year or last year sorry and %HESITATION you know I'm getting to the point where I've seen things come and go and come back again there's always been %HESITATION a certain air of weirdness to life and everything that's going on in the world but this feels and seems different to me doesn't seem like that to you too yes because I feel like things are getting more messed up more deeply %HESITATION politically wedged in divided and there's I hate it when I was a kid a lot of the stuff that we're talking about now was being said the C. I. A. and fascism in corporate takeover and stuff and I thought when I was an idealistic young hippie I thought we were gonna conquer all of that and guess what we didn't get all that stuff just kept getting worse and I was around when Ronald Reagan was governor of California and I was around when Ronald Reagan got elected president of the United States and all conscious people all people with any compassion to them recognize that we have been scammed by Republicans who really just would would do anything to maintain their power and that this is a not so secret racism of the entire system was being deployed against all of us N. M. it it the all the stuff that I thought was over the top complaining back in the days turned out to be true and and then it's gotten worse and they they did just that the pure evil of what we saw today we're we're having this conversation on June sixteenth and this afternoon we I watch some of this hearing in Washington that describe the way this country was almost taken apart and they showed films of these people thousands and thousands of blood thirsty people going absolutely ape shit over lies and hallucinations and a gleeful media empire run by Rupert Murdoch that is been feeding the flames of all this shit for twenty five years and it's just going to keep getting worse and worse and worse because more and more people are unwilling to acknowledge reality let alone give a rat's ass about their neighbors right and I think that's that's the that's the tipping point at least for me is like I it seems like rooting for sports teams at this point like we have to come to the understanding that we're all human beings and that we all basically want the same thing we love our families we love our friends we want to be happy and live a good life I mean that's really boiling it down to its most base but and this division that's going on N. it is very difficult to stomach and and you know one of the things that I've been asking myself through all of this and bringing it back to music is like the role of the musician at least like in the sixties was to sing about and to inform people it seemed to me that that you know there was a huge movement for that then but where we are now music is popcorn it's it's it's chewing gum well it's interesting that you bring that up though because I came up in the sixties and with Pete Seeger and Joan Baez and Bob Dylan and and the notion that we could change the world with music and once again we kind of did on a certain level but not on the macro level right but I'm using lead the Grateful Dead where the avatars of the hedonistic side of things the non political side of things there's a wonderful book the late Carol Brightman published a book seven years ago called sweet chaos the grateful dead's American adventure okay Carol was this is was the sister of by the way the Grateful Dead slating person lighting designer Candace Brightman okay so Carole but Carole was a left wing political activist who went to Cuba with a vencer Ramose brigade in you know a lot of hard core left wing stuff I don't think she was in the weather underground or anything but she was a a left wing intellectual in the sixties and the book that she wrote because she was sisters with Candace she was exposed to the grateful dead's Kochar and the grateful dead's magic in the book that she published was an examination of why they all spoke earnest political movements that she was part of sputtered and failed in the hardcore hedonists to the Grateful Dead thrived it it it's it's not a judgmental book it's just an examination of these things and and a recognition of these parallel paths the Grateful Dead constituted themselves on the notion of living a life of joy you know the day that they wanted to create this alternate space in the in the beginning in sixty six sixty seven and there's that press conference from our end at seven ten Ashbury after they got busted right or Jerry says you know what we're looking for is a peaceful planet right thing like that N. N. everybody would like to have a body that I just watched another documentary called Colin Powell a hippie Odyssey M. A. all Apollo is a place for the Grateful Dead live for a few minutes in the late sixties and so there's a little bit grateful that content in it but it's about a different group of people a route built around of a wealthy hippie name %HESITATION McCoy don McCoy and it's about his family in the communal life that his extended family put together that occupied Golan poly which is why it's you know focused on that place okay but it just follows a whole nother group of people who came up in that open moment of the late sixties and created a culture all their own and there was there as was about huge families like communal living of many families at once and stuff like that and then being high and being nude and things like that it was just a you know it's like another social experiment that launched at the same time it was just really fascinating I was watching it and I get all choked up when I watch these things because I just things like seeing a chair in a sunny kitchen in San Francisco reminded me of sitting in a sunny kitchen at my friend's uncle Dave's place you know like the visual connections to that time that I was too young to really appreciate and participate in it was very touching to me at all these documents at that time show how earnest and and creative everybody wanted to be right and how we've all managed to forage lives I I I sit before you is an incredibly lucky person who managed to forge a life entirely around music related stuff in my own creativity with regard to music as a journalist a photographer a song writer lately a radio host Bible all but all these that I managed to live a music oriented life inspired by those people are the Grateful Dead taught me to improvise to follow my instincts and to just live an honest and genuine life in music and otherwise and I strive to do so all along so I consider myself a direct descendant of the Grateful Dead as a musician and as a hippie D. while I have never heard it put so eloquently seriously thank you I have I too would consider myself that I was my first show changed me it altered me fundamentally N. it change the rest of my life and N. is that magic has continue it didn't stop when the show ended it didn't stop and that's been the fascinating wonderfully strange fun part of this whole trip is that it didn't end with the show it continued it didn't end it never yeah but I wonder lake as a member of this community N. now god right an elder it's scary but what do we do to support our family in times like this that we're in right now because I was watching them a clip on Instagram today from a Phish show in my two thousand two or something like that or whatever and I thought to myself man if we only knew then how things were going to be now do you know what it was like so carefree and we had no idea of what was coming what would you have done differently if you had known then I probably the same shit honestly yeah that's the thing we can't we yeah that's just we can speculate about that sort of thing but I I think this the answer is to look back and and feel that you've lived a bright just decent life you know that I didn't put too many people over along the way and stuff it's like if I could get you devalue it who I was morally or whatever way at any point in life you know was I doing okay was I cheating anybody was I you know squatting on anybody else's land was I you know I was like I I I I feel like I've just been pursuing my own creativity all these years and and in it fortunately in a position where I didn't have to steal from anybody or do I mean I mean I've I've I've been very lucky and I just think that each of us should look at his own life and go you know how have we been decent all along it is kind of like being an improvisational musician the point is not to have a well rehearsed it's set up and lying or or piece of work that you're going to do the point is to perhaps to keep the vessel clean and be ready for anything and so I'd like I I just I I don't plan my performances ahead of time I I don't I I I one of my trying to say here yep I will I just want to be able to if any if at any moment in my life you stopped me and said what are you doing and how are you doing I want to be able to say I'm doing good I'm not fucking anybody over and I think I'm living a righteous life here and that you can go back to any moment you know back in the time line and you want to be able to say that for yourself right %HESITATION yeah you know and and I also feel like we shouldn't spend too much time regretting those lapses where we didn't quite live up to that along the way this is the worst insult but yeah this is a lot of wisdom that you're giving us in such a short amount of time the suit it seems very simple %HESITATION coming out of your mouth like effortless this is not it's is for lake this is like a one oh two it's now one oh one you know one of like everything you're saying goes back to like what we all learned from the Grateful Dead like that the B. combine I I hear I hear people I think we've all known people like when I hear people that say they have like in the means I like watching their back for people it's like man what kind of life for you leading the way like super heroes have enemies lately like normal people that are leading a righteous life and helping people and being behind in doing and others you you get that back which I think living in this world you know and being influenced by the Grateful Dead we found out a long time ago like Aaron said he's fifty I'm fifty four fifty three world if we're we're forgetting how old we are okay it's it Lino you level you live a life like that what kind of like the Grateful Dead Tadas and my god you get it back so much that's that's that's what I was gonna say is that I have what I have found at least in the years that we because we've been doing this five years in July and in the years that we've been doing this I've been putting all of my own passion and creativity into this N. I have found that whatever that magic is started giving back when I started giving to it there was a reciprocal exchange that started happening and I wish that I would have figured that out earlier but whatever it is what it is and I think that that's one of the things that like like apple said you know the fundamental underlying thing is just be kind N. what to yourself and others yeah and what's always like really I've wondered is like we all had these experiences that were our own in singular and separate but very common and we found common ground in that through the Grateful Dead and we it made a family in a community out of it and I've asked this of other people but I'm curious what your answer is like why the Grateful Dead and why that music like why wasn't it Zeppelin or like you know three dog night in it could have been anybody but it was them and that thing hi I would say that improvisation is them the of the word and the Grateful Dead %HESITATION created a form of music that was different every time in a combined R. okay a wonderful collection of original songs with a wonderful collection of interpreted songs from other in a huge variety of sources into which a very American steel live music and they stitched it all together with improvisation and they created and because they played it differently every time it encouraged us to engage it repeatedly and we kept coming back M. and then also along the way certain hobbyist started recording the band because they wanted to share their experience I interviewed Jim and Doug OD seven years ago it which you can listen to on my soundcloud by the way okay and a transcript of which appears in my book this is all a dream we dreamed oral history the Grateful Dead the thing that those guys did was entirely motivated by their desire to capture and share the joyous experience of being in a Grateful Dead show how sweet and they they one brother Doug was a technician he had electronic skills and stuff so he was building tools and they were recording shows and distributing the tapes to as many people as they could specifically for the mission of sharing this joy with as many people as possible and that the thing that motivated their motivator all the rest of this to revenge allies is to our friends we brought our friends and not all of them sometimes you meet somebody go I don't think he would get the grip of the right you would invite that person but you would be likely candidates around your travels in you would bring people into it and they made it interesting and made it unique every time and that kept us coming back and while we were coming back we kept bumping into the same people and realize that we were in a community and our small group of showgoers expanded into a tribe of related little groups of showgoers and overtime our shared history and the thing we were talking about earlier you meet somebody new and you realize you've you've had a couple of dozen peak experiences together except you were in different parts of the room right and and you find that you're up in this gigantic three dimensional cube of time and space sharing with thousands of other people and you can find points of commonality with anybody you meet so it's basically this lifetime opportunity to connect with people that are hip to the thing you're hip to and every time we need somebody with that you know that that recognition happens and sometimes it's %HESITATION I was wearing a Jerry Garcia tied the corporate board meeting I knew him well so so it it's it it didn't happen partially by design because they were doing something and they wanted to share it and make it big they wanted to be successful musicians but they were also part of this experiment in collective creativity that was the merry pranksters acid test culture and they were part of the Haight Ashbury culture which was a giant experiment a collective creativity Paul Kantner once told me that the only he this is he was being glib but one of the things he said was that the only advantage to being in the band at the Fillmore was it you were up on stage and you can have a better view of all the people around he said everybody in the in it was the show at the Fillmore he said yeah when your men Jack would get off into one of their extended things he would get down off stage and go walk around to be with people so we the culture that formed around the Grateful Dead was about shared experiences constantly refreshed with new experiences and an expanding culture that shares the experience and evangelize it to one another and draws upon an expanding historic record remember every year there were a couple dozen more Grateful Dead concerts tip for tapers to collect right a couple dozen more Grateful Dead concerts for you to organize tickets for and to go travel to St Louis with your friends too you know I mean it was it the culture kept refreshing itself and continues to refresh itself twenty eight years after Jerry's we didn't say that yeah it's nuts we just went last week and to Eugene and saw we live up in Portland Oregon we just went to go see fill in in Eugene N. the music is S. potent vital alive and magical as the day I walked into my first show in eighty nine like and to see him up there with his son yeah passing the torch yes to another generation to ensure that the music truly never starts is it mind blowing fortunately for us it's not strictly a hereditary thing right because the the grateful dead's musical genome is already afoot all over the world and there's thousands there's hundreds of Grateful Dead tribute bands all around the country playing this music every damn night of our lives and so that's how the music is staying alive because it's still being played by all those people not just the living band members right but all of these other musical descendants of those guys and their associates and I love the fact that there's all these young musicians the plea into it and then there's people like there's a band around here call wake the dead it's all experienced veteran Celtic music players and they they start this they've been at it for like more than twenty years they have several albums there if they do that sort of the Irish jigs and stuff interspersed with Grateful Dead songs new these beautiful Celtic style interpretations of Grateful Dead songs they put out for five albums you should look them up you well we have the name of the band founded by Danny Carnahan excellent musician I've known for years and and there's bands like that did do this music in a different way Joe Craven and the some timers Joe Craven was in the Garcia Grisman for tet yeah go long long history with Grisman band where he lives out in Davis %HESITATION %HESITATION Dixon California near Sacramento and he's an amazing musician he plays festivals all around the country he plays bluegrass and old time music and all that stuff with his band they made a record about five six years ago called Garcia's songbook and all it was a bunch of Jerry Garcia and hunter tunes and various folk tunes and things that come through Jerry T. into chose here's like there's a really cool version of of %HESITATION %HESITATION R. shady Grove on there yeah and there's China doll and there's help on the way Slipknot and separately Franklin's tower and every one of these songs has been completely re invented and presented in a new musical style with tremendous power it's my favorite record of anybody in the last several years okay my favorite dead related thing and I I had an opportunity I've known Joe for years and we've shared the stage in various festivals and stuff but I I we were together at a music festival in Edmonton Alberta in in March of this year first time I get on an airplane in two years one thing that we got to play together it was a tribute to the Grateful Dead is called dead ends live in there were a bunch of local musicians and they brought four of us up from here mark Hummel harmonica player Gary Logan sent a guitar player Joe Craven and me and Joe when I got to do a couple of do %HESITATION sets unrehearsed just talked down a bunch of stuff and started playing and it was magical was just mind blowing how much I love him so much and to get to play with somebody of his power and and level of we share the thing they they they improv improvisational thing he brought in a quote from David lily from some gig they played together he said you know rehearsal is for cowards which is another sort of clip thing but the point of it is to say that it is possible for two guys to get up on stage unrehearsed have a brief conversation about a few things and then just fucking blow for an hour and make wonderful things happen when you play with a guy I've chose caliber and I know I'm good and I you know I I did not fear going up with %HESITATION wasn't intimidated by him I was just in awe of him you understand the difference I felt I felt competent to be with him and at the same time totally blown away and I get to play with him yeah and so that lifted well great %HESITATION that lifts you up that yeah it brings you will it and maybe thought the same yeah I well we're we we had a good enough time that we're planning more gigs together in his day but my point is that every way it's like whenever two people get together and play Grateful Dead music it happens again and there's there's there's a band in Atlanta called frankly Scarlett and is that not a great name for a Georgia based their guitarist is Cassidy wallet he's like twenty eight years old and he's brilliant really really good at it he speaks the language like a native because he fucking grow up with right but there's guys like him and there's people all over the country in their thirties and forties and even younger that are deeply into this music because it's like a language unto itself you if you speak this language if you love those songs I mean you could treat them like the band or the Springsteen or the eagles and just play them as songs and they be great but what they really are is these living breathing vehicles for improvisation and that so that we can every one of us to just get up there and start playing that song I play live every day in my studio and I take the songs and turn them upside down change the key on and change the group on him improvise around them and stuff because that's what they were born to do that's what dead and company are doing their plane everything a little slower than some people want them to play but they're playing with the amazing depth and Ms warmth with each other in generosity everyone of those guys is a first rate musicians the love that they have for it is probable in the listening to yeah and and and so that's that's what this music is for to be played live in real time by human beings with other human beings dancing to it or listen to it or whatever and the electricity that goes around among those all of them at any time that this is happening is is life that's what for why I love that what you're talking about these songs are are alive we all looked at each other because we already I know you've played with them or for we talked to Henry Kaiser a few weeks ago and Henry brought that up was talking about specially performing let darkstar yeah like how has a life of its own and and I also love you've mentioned it a couple times now because we struggle with is doing a podcast the improvisational thing you know those with Grateful Dead music and is also a lesson that's talked to us in life like if you go into something preparing to March with expectations and set yourself up for disappointment things like that and we we've tried it with the podcast very few times one reason we think were successful and people like to come back on the show and really enjoy sitting down with us is because we don't rehearse we don't script any quite like coming into this we had no idea what we're gonna talk to David about we just we we know you we've read your books we know who you are let's see you play yeah it's like what more do you need to know then that then no one that we're all humans and to sit down and just have a unique improv conversation and talk or talk about something that we know all of us love and have something to say about and that's what we do yeah now I of course I have the experience of being an interview %HESITATION so I you know I I I certainly know not to right now all the things I could have done to be cruel to you guys and make sure you invited me all right but why would anybody want to do that right you know I had a few interviews %HESITATION south on me but my method is the same you know who you're talking to N. do you have a conversation a lot of times when I'm doing stuff on the on the national radio shows and stop the interviews have an agenda there's a product to Brian you know and we get around to that but these things were doing for nuggets you know it's not it's it's really just people shootin the shit and it's really really fun to do and I agree with you guys that this is much better than reading questions often note and man it's only yeah I was I was walking down to our studio down here and and I was thinking to myself how weird that people want to listen to music journalists sword radio hosts talked to other radio host we're we're interviewing each other or talking to each other and that's interesting and it is because of what we're talking about it's I think that in and I get this with with tales from the golden road is that you're a fly on the wall in a conversation with people that you relate to and you know what I'm saying like it feels good man like if I'm driving by myself and I put on tales from the golden road I have you and whoever else you're speaking to in the car with me you know what I mean and it's awesome and it's just funny that we live in a world where there's so much content in so many people to consume with their eyes and their ears the yet here we are doing our thing people crave more honesty in conversation we got sick of the old sitcoms on network television and sit in front of the box I ate it's very interesting words gone what people like now well there's also all this meta media stuff going on I I've been a big fan of better call Saul right and I I didn't realize until toward the end of the season that there's this whole show that goes on after the show where the producers to tell it like there's podcasts about the making of the talk shows and they did an on air thing after every episode where they have one of the actor the writer the producer in there and they would talk about the show and it's the same thing as the podcast like another one is the better things podcasts are really really wonderful show that just ended with the Pamela Adlon as a sort of a veritate a sit com kind of thing that was on %HESITATION TNT I think R. T. B. S. K. anyway there would there were these podcasts where the producer she would talk with her get her actors and writers about the making of each show and it was like you think well I'll just watch the show and I don't care about the behind the scenes crap and then you start listening to them talk about it you know well this is really interesting they really love what they're doing is you see you learn more about it and it doesn't it's not like peeking behind the curtain and you realize that it's just some schmuck with levers not the great wizard of oz right you know the art work it's like the Beatles you you you watch the get back then you see all this behind studio stuff and all this deep shit going on among all of them and it doesn't demystify any of it you still put the record on and it still blows your mind when you hear the record yeah so we can keep talking about the Grateful Dead thing and it's still not going to interfere with our direct experience of doing the music tomorrow night when they play at Folsom wow yeah absolutely and here's the thing that we discovered at least maybe your N. maybe a little more is that we were talking to the musicians that were making the music that we love so much N. we would have a conversation like we're having with you and then go watch them play and the experience that we were having at the shows was amplified a thousand percent because we're now we're rooting for our friend of Kerins H. yeah and it was like holy shit and so my thought was like how can we share that thing with the people that listen to the show like how can we all deepen the experience by getting to know the people that we love so much and that's been like kind bars every day we learn very quickly too well Erin learn very quickly we called the conductor because he is the conductor of the show kinda it was like who do we want to have on a word like we're of that mindset we interviewed our friends some local bands and stuff and I was like well nobody bigs are gonna wanna be on Aaron reached out to %HESITATION teal by D. M. on Instagram as like it was like I'm he probably doesn't even do his own Instagram I'm just going to send him back right away and was like yeah let's do it so from there we learned it in never heard it never hurts to ask the person can happen is they say no %HESITATION and and speaking of %HESITATION teal he and Mike from %HESITATION I have an amazing project yeah we were on the yeah they're on the same network wrote and I was on I was a guest on their show and it was exactly the same thing that we're talking about we just got on we started talking and and it was %HESITATION I guess we're in the middle of our interview now and he just kept going with no agenda and it just ended when it ended the step is such a nice forgiving medium you know we we don't have to squeeze it in between commercials and you don't have to cut it off at a certain time and there's no producer a hovering over you telling you to do station ideas and shit we just have this conversation yeah and but so was the what was the thought behind I've always wondered this about tales was what was the thought behind starting not show well I was hired when when Grateful Dead made an agreement with Sirius satellite radio in two thousand seven to do the channel are they hired me to consult on the creation of the channel and it was a no brainer you know so well you're gonna do live concerts three times a day that's my first thing is that well I concerts are going to be the the framework of this thing then you got to do all the album tracks from Iowa and then you're gonna want to this day and in great let history feature and you know it is a fairly straightforward thing I wanted to do more produce things like some roots and branches I wanted to do a pairing thing of the the original version of a song the Grateful Dead and interpreted it up with one of their versions and then do that thing of pairing up a great deal that's on with somebody's cover of a great that's wow that was that idea didn't last for a variety of reasons and it turned out some of the dead heads that were the loudest respondents on the feedback line were people that didn't weren't interested in anybody else's versions of the songs so that kind of got blown out of the water early much to my disappointment but in December of two thousand seven shortly after we went went live the management said let's do some kind of round table talk show kind of thing let's get an expert on some Grateful Dead related subject and and spend some time with them maybe open the phones and see what happens and I said well if you get to do that we need to get Kerry Lambert on board hi I've known Gary since nineteen eighty six he was Phil Lesh is co host and co producer on %HESITATION to music show they did for KPFA called rex radio later called eyes of chaos veil of order and we had co hosted lots of broadcasts on KPFA of Grateful Dead from the Greek and stuff like that and I just knew that Gary would be the perfect co host for a talk show we did our first one in January two thousand eight and we had Eric Christensen is an old friend of mine and Gary's who had just released a documentary about the trips festival one of the seminal events in in the history of trips festival in January of sixty six of the longshoremen's hall and Eric grew up in the area was a work for KGO news for years and years and was it a documentary filmmaker and a native animate this wonderful movie about the trips festival so we did a show with Eric it was a two hour show and we open the phones and took questions and stuff and it went great everybody said oh my god this is great let's do this again and I don't remember the exact progression how long it took but in very short order they decided to make it weekly and they decided to make it less focused on produced content like the round table thing was immediately jettisoned in favor of a call in show okay because it just took off there is there is there ever been in in the entire history of doing the show which is fourteen years and counting now there have been maybe a minute and a half ever in which there wasn't a phone call on hold while we have never run dry what is it it's just a wonderful warm experienced doing the thing that we're talking about enacting community with total strangers on the phone and hearing some I know mazing league good quotient of high quality because we get very few Indians we get a vanishingly small number of people that are still too stoned or drunk to talk and we very rarely even have people that don't know when to stop talking with it the quality of the calls is just amazingly good and the vibe is ridiculously good Gary is just are an amazing source of knowledge of everything I mean I'll tell you a funny story about him I was sitting on a beach in Hawaii watching the sun come up a couple of weeks ago with my wife and some friends and somebody said what's that what show the Broadway show that had the sign got sun in the morning and the moon at night I said I know who knows and I texted Lambert and it like the media got back to me said Annie get your gun FOR merman not just that's a go to guy Lambert is he knows so much about so many different cultures is jazz and Broadway and film and stuff so he's like a perfect guide you %HESITATION a call in show with because questions can men people on a banter about stuff yes this is the greatest and I it very often my mission is to just sit back and listen to it going by because he's got it under control got there that's kind of how I'm feeling right now yeah yeah I was going to I'm taking a year writing down like are you keeping the minutes of the meeting over yeah I mean kind of I I have this journal here that I write in quotes are things that are very interesting I like to read it later and chew on these ideas and I mean I've I've %HESITATION right not a room with this conversation but this is interesting are you that you're if you're like the taper who's taping the show yeah are you are you catching the whole show are you missing so I'm not sure well you recording no because you see that I'm involved in the conversation okay I'm I'm definitely involved in the conversation and I'm I like I'm like should I interrupt no because you're covering it like you have it handled in like me asking is adding nothing your flow it's important to be recorded right now not my question so it's not because I'm not interested I just I kind of feel like a little teary because you've said a few things that have made so many things make sense of questions I didn't know that I had about the dead end on your head such an ease that you're saying these things like it's a second nature for you but it's a bit like I was saying earlier it's very profound when you can talk about something so complex so elementary age but also beautifully because you're a journalist and you an interviewer you've done this and you're a musician and an improvised propositional musician and so you have a beauty and and ease of how you're so getting these things across and I'm just in awe of it to be honest like clothing I'm very good fishing for compliments no attention Hey I was bringing it up because I I tried to take concerts a few times and I stopped doing it because it involves missing too much of the show yeah drawing an analogy to you as being similar to a taper sitting over there but I'm glad and and my favorite answer to that question about missing the music Dr Bob Wagner one of the great tapers like from the eighties seventies and eighties vintage he said to me I said how do you I said I I couldn't do it I couldn't I I it involved missing too much of the show he said so how do you manage to like dig the show N. hold stocks still while you're making the tape that he said I managed to dance while I'm recording right on and then I just that's so cool he he he takes care of the job of holding his microphone steady and manages to shake his booty at the other color gray I just love I'm try doing it I can't do it I agree a hundred percent like even at skull and roses I was I had my recorder and I was like over in the taper section and just even five minutes over there Mike I never mind I give up I'm gonna go cation and we also we borrowed a friend's camera we've since upgraded got our own cameras but gave me the camera to go catch some video and print every moment of the videos is unusable but because I could I thought I was standing still when we got home and looked at all the footage he's like dude what were you doing and I was like this is like great pictures just stick to photography all the videos you're bouncing around everything's moving and you're not focused I was like I was trying to enjoy myself to the that's something not that's new for us in the last five years is the %HESITATION making the leap between being just another person going to the show and actually working at them yeah do you know what I'm saying yeah and and there's a there is a responsibilities were sent back to them along with it yes that of course but like it changes the experience and and there's a the point that you have to like figure it out how to do it again almost there do you do you know what I'm talking about very much so because you get you got stuff to do have responsibilities and and you can't just be a consumer of it out there on a blanket in the in the bowl yeah I gotta pee you know you're you've got you got to be meeting somebody in forty five minutes and you got to make sure your you got it out did you remember to change the batteries in the camera there's so much you got to think about %HESITATION I have over the years you know what I started doing grateful that journalism in the mid seventies it bam magazine and my relationship to the organization is based on that and I I I I couldn't just be a regular fan because I have this other stuff going on but there came a time many many years into it the more status I had the more work I had more business I had with the organization the weirder it god because a lot of people the organization were very territorial and protective of their turf and their power and stuff and it made things really weird and at various times in various sectors of the world and I reached a point of going I'm going to be a lot happier if I just go sit in the crowd with my friends if I don't if if I have to compartmentalize this much and you know if I I don't want to be backstage there's nothing fun happening back there especially when the bands on stage and I don't want to be dealing with I mean I stop tripping it shows pretty early on because of the fact that it was also my job site and I couldn't afford to just let go and relax and you know it wasn't I was risking anything but it just wasn't it makes it harder yeah well I I had responsibility station today yeah actually about tripping at shows we did we got we got invited by live nation to go podcast live at the peach fest N. I. Mel and I were making lunch in the kitchen as like I am not partying at the peach I'm we're going I'm going to work like I do not what and not that I couldn't I absolutely could do whatever you want the hell I want but I want to be on point I want to show up I wanna live I don't want to be struggling on stage of thirty thousand people there like me no thanks that's not you know it's a very different from very different world and it's new territory for us and it's very cool for me to get to talk to you and then %HESITATION you say that yeah thanks for helping us navigated a little bit yeah just just with your talk you know what we we learned a little lesson like it okay share share this cold roses that was kind of a last week we're trying to learn what to delight what we're trying to set like okay we're gonna be somewhere for four days let's pick a night where it's light nurse schedule where we can have a night to trip or whatever we wanted to you and be more of a fan and how the ball we picked Saturday night and as you know Saturday night the music it got interrupted you know big Steve got up there then they had technical problems all evening so we're ready to go is our night for partying were off duty and it was just it never got going in and then %HESITATION T. all came on was great for a moment and then they had the shutdown but it it that led to media we met our handful of very dear people because you're out there everybody's ready to go wait for the music to pick him all the way up and the music never got a chance to do that so we got to engage with a lot of people that were all isn't ready to dance and we made some really great family and friends out of that moment but that was our night of like we're ready to boogie no not yet yeah we're we're yeah I plan all you want but you know stuff will happen yeah it's it's a great this whole thing has been such a trip and and it is getting weirder and weirder like it's so true what you're saying the the emails the things that happen on my phone now or things that like five years ago I would have been like oh my god you know there is a person texted me old rundown of my hair on fire but now it's it's it's weird to have the thing that you love and have I've looked for thirty plus years and now it's it we've turned it into our our work and it's it's fascinating it and it's the coolest thing ever and and like I said at the beginning I wish eighteen year old me would've known but like you said would I have done anything different probably not I've been a knuckle anyway at the end of the year you just have to never let the business stuff get in the way of your enjoyment of the music and you may not get to hear all of the set because you got stuff to do you may not be able to see all the acts I saw maybe a third of stuff got that happened at %HESITATION %HESITATION Ventura you know because I had other stuff to do I was with my wife you know the end and so you can't do it all is another very important mantra in your in your life doing these things you can't see at all N. it's okay to miss a few things and events and really I I think it's fucking miraculous that I've managed to deliver an hour of curated Grateful Dead music onto a radio network every week for thirty some years each I mean I I I wasn't expecting to have any kind of that kind of stability in my life first I'm I'm coming up on thirty years with the same woman to us so we can gradually yeah we our twenty eighth wedding anniversary in September and we'll have been together thirty years starting in November and that's a graduation I am I that's part of being in and like but obscenely happy is that I just got incredibly lucky in that department as well what my point is that you want to have %HESITATION I forgot my point it's fine it I think that I like how you petered out what your thought with thirty years married and that was me what made you happy yeah talk about missing the it's okay to miss thing yeah and that's gonna happen it's it's part of it and and you know what like like apple said this what do you do what we do what this is a privilege to be able to do this N. yeah I am so so grateful that we have the opportunity then anybody gives two shits what we have to say I am so grateful that fact is not lost to me so I treat this thing with a lot of care and attention because it it's taking care of my family you know what I mean this is this is connecting the people that I love to the thing that we love well in in a round about way it's you know like if we can do what we can for the world we're in the dead of family is part of the world and we have a wide net and the if we feed each other and the people that are around us there are net is gonna cast very big ripple out there and so it is a privilege and it's also a wonderful thing that we get to do to feed the world out there at large at least in this form of this community and of course it comes with the responsibility to do it well yes they do it accurately and to serve the music first and foremost and serve the community and I know you guys know that but it's it's it's I felt that responsibility all on that might it's like this I know that it's the Grateful Dead our not the David Gans our people don't tune in to hear me talk they tune in to hear the music and that's always been like a minute very important watch word in my production it's not about my opinion my opinion informs the curation of the music but I don't go on at great length about it on the radio because the music speaks for itself so my responsibility is to present the music to put the grateful dead's best foot forward every week in one one former another pro primarily musically but another related stuff and to represent them fairly and lovingly and to serve the audience what they deserve from that so I and I I have thrived in that role because I've taken it seriously and because I brought a musician sensibility to my job and they trust me to know the music that's why they let me do the job but I recognize that it's our responsibility it's one that I've fulfilled lovingly and had yes there's never there's never I've never had a crisis of you know faced with regard to the Grateful Dead the music has always been satisfied is always challenging wow and it's always been great fun to do the job done I mean what more could you possibly ask what seriously like that he you could talk to people about their their job working for X. Y. Z. company you could talk to somebody about their marriage you could talk to them about what religion they are and they wouldn't have that same thing to say ninety nine percent of the time I have had the great good fortune of not not having had a job since nineteen seventy eight I'm working on all right and I think %HESITATION actually sits on that self employed the whole time and I got away with money to for years wow Hey I just got to say to you today I know you're not looking for flattery or anything but I got it throw some flattery your way because it is such an honor for us to five years into this to be at this point one of the first people we met that's kind of an elder it was Dennis McNally %HESITATION and he immediately took a shine to us and has been in our corner sends us people all the time they are just it's all it when we get something in the mail or or a texter something the Dennis we know it's going to be cool like he set up the thing with Henry Kaiser recently mine below %HESITATION well we're at skull and roses and two thousand nineteen man this year speaks very highly of you we have a we know we know you're I mean you've done so many things our catalog of work music your books everything it's just it's an honor to be at the table with people that we look up to you and everything and to be added to have such an enjoyable camaraderie and everything it's just it's it's an honor we appreciate what the main thing I wanted to thank you for because those girls gave you so much praise when we're at school on roses we sat down with three other girls from brown eyed women yes and then we got to see you play with them also but that that was something that that's kind of out on her job all women cover band that kicked ass the end result of that live music in their fashion they they were amazing and so full of like this in vinegar and ready to go and I mean they they they they were amazing they were didn't you put that band together I the genesis of that was on tales from the golden road yes there was a conversation about the idea of an all female Grateful Dead band yeah hi no several of the musicians in the band and I don't remember exactly how it went down but I introduced Denise per route the drummer and singer and and Joni Batory the guitarist Denise lives in Woodstock Joni lives in Florida and I also knew Jill Simmons who became the lead singer of that band but I introduced Joanie and Denise to each other and they took it from there they the spark just they they hit it off and made this connection and they populated the rest of that been mark hi I just I was so thrilled that they turned out to be so good I mean I knew they would because I knew Denise I played with Denise I knew Joni and I knew that they would be good and I was amazed that they found so many other excellent musicians from all over the place you know %HESITATION the rhythm guitarist is from Georgia the keyboardist is from Boston the singers from Pittsburgh still you know there there it's it's not so how far apart they live at analysts await they managed to put some tours together and says I'm thrilled at how good they are and I was just blown away to get to get up on stage with them and play with them because they're all so good yes yeah well you know it this the whole skull and roses thing this year was such a blast and that festival at least to me like is the most reminiscent of when I came into the Grateful Dead world like it reminds me of a nineteen eighties late eighties early nineties lot scene the feeling of the Ventura county Raceway there's just there's definite mo Jo in that place yeah and and I don't know as far as like the Grateful Dead music goes that I don't think that can be beat that that festival we have this I feel the same way it was so much fun to be part of it and I've been to all four of them and you know that the running joke about these things I have played other debt oriented festivals were some poor hapless pastor tried to coordinate the set lists %HESITATION now my first thought was particularly telling you what I'm not first of all I'm not going to plan my set list ahead of time and secondly don't tell me what the blood tried to coordinate all this they didn't do that add skull and roses and somehow guess what it didn't everybody played not everybody played shakedown street they diversified it was a beautiful mix I made sure to do days between because I figured a lot of people wouldn't be doing that song and then %HESITATION extra ticket my friends from Phoenix so good they plan to set full of like a lot of the weirder shit like victim or the crime and and %HESITATION %HESITATION way to go all this stuff so that they didn't get redundant with the other bands and stuff but it sorts itself out with the with the catalog is immense is the grateful dead's it just magically sorted itself into a non repetitive non redundant experience that and a lot of that has to do with Chris rock matrix being just an incredible mellow dude yeah at least in my experience of him and having a really good idea and then bring it in very cool people to implement that any Dennis McNally was a big part of it as well you know Dennis really organize the whole run up to it he stated that online newsletter the world news those guys talked me into doing a fucking column for the light emitted a five hundred word column every week for like I don't know twenty weeks or sometimes there is so much fun to be part of it Nate lapoint did a thing on how to play Grateful Dead music I mean they had a bunch of amazing guest columnist through the whole thing so cool Dennis wrangled all of that it was amazing work and he got people like me that we did to do work for free just for the spirit of it pro bono that speaks to the spirit of the family man it's hard enough and that's a really big part of it part of that David I appreciate you giving us time and and and like apple said it's an honor for us to talk to your brother and and I hope that we get to hang out again someplace sometime soon the funny thing is you know everyone of us has different aspects of ourselves in there the the part of me that wanted to come here was the the self promoting musician who wants to make sure people know that I play a live set every day so for me it was fun to come on and and not have to even get around to promoting my ship for a fully an hour of conversation I love what I do want to work in this part at the end of your life yeah have a good day for the foreseeable future with certain exceptions I I take a day off from time to time for various reasons but I play on four different platforms I play on Facebook D. Ganz music I play live on Twitter somehow M. I. D. handle there is David Gans I play on you too I have my own channel and Diggins channel and you too and I play on an amazing online performance venue called stream stock dot TV okay it's I call it a virtual house concert venue all the you guys should check it out you could actually do events on there were you interact with people because it's it's you attend the show in groups of up to six in and there's like you're in a room with six video screens yourself second zoom right but it's in in have sub groups like this and you hang out before the show you hang out with your group and interact with each other and then the show starts and you watch the show together with your group and the performers can also interact with people before and after the show that's one of the very cool things about it and I've I've been there sort of Guinea pig musician for more than two years now a woman named rose in Nadi thought it up and so I've been kind of her beta tester and she because I play every day they're using my show to refine their system and develop their software instead but it's a really really fun thing so every four o'clock California time basically every day and for the foreseeable future that's cool easy I play a live show from my home studio and I played more than five hundred different songs over the course of these two years and change because it's just about every it's like very busy my entire musical career over this time and I was having a great time doing it I have a couple of dozen people that literally watch every day lots of lots of people to just stop by once in awhile so it's been ridiculously gratifying I've made a few Bucks in the tip jar doing it it's been amazing my singing is never been stronger my guitar playing has never been stronger it's really really fun and I'm actually playing more music now than I was playing before the pandemic because I'm literally playing every day and one last thing before I let you go I finally got off my ass and created an online store as well and I'm selling books and music online at a site called perfect double dot net P. E. R. F. E. C. T. I. B. L. E. dot net and I sell autographed books my co author player Jackson lives right down the street so if you order a copy of this is all a dream we dreamed from may it'll be signed by both of us aw that's the end of my plug again looks in music and mugs for sale at perfect double dot net I was looking all those also I gotta say it shows how happy you are I was walked earlier what is like what do you listen to as like David David is performing it all on the watch tower who doesn't love that one of my favorite songs ever and watching them play that you know your style the way you were doing at the look on your face showed bell we're we're just like oh my god he looks so fucking happy doing that in your studio I gotta listen to the rest of it but I was wanted on Twitter I'm so happy to hear you say that apple because it's just a joy to do it and I get requests every day from some of those regulars so I often have a song that I wouldn't ordinarily play I mean I play I play watchtower from time to time but I always try to do it differently yeah and that's the glory being a solo performers I can change it around to do anything I want to get played in a different key a different group or whatever right so I am indeed having the time of my life but there's one last piece of credit I have to give for that and that is Terry Hagerty's we need mmhm there's a musician named Terry Haggerty look him up he's in the sons of Champlin goes back to the Haight Ashbury days amazing guy and he's also been cultivating marijuana for fifty plus years %HESITATION anything develop some of the best and most musical strains of weed you have ever experienced okay yeah and I it's I. smokes on his part before I play every day that is why I play so well and why I have such a big smile on my face it's amazingly musical we he's just hitting the retail market it's available in a few counties in northern California I don't think you can get it in Oregon yet consistent out has to go state by state right now yeah but for your viewers in northern California it's in like Barbary coast in a couple of other dispensaries in cinema county rain county in San Francisco county and the brand is had delicious Hey listen I just have to tell you guys it is the most musical we why hasn't he has one particular strain called booty call there are several women of my acquaintance consider to be an aphrodisiac so I am giving you a plug for Terry Hagerty's we've the best fucking caught if ever smoked in my life if you're anywhere near a dispensary that carries it I recommend you give it a try like you said it's in California I I'm the inventory manager for two dispensaries apparent port land and when you say when I hear somebody talk that highly about we is an experienced smoker has myself I'm going to see some out and find some way to get some personally and makes its way across the border in Oregon eventually I would bring it up to you myself if I could but I highly recommend you give it a try if you love the week you will as we mentioned him Dave I just so you know when when the episode goes out I'll let you know but I'll put all of your links in the show notes so that people can just click on all that and get it to turn over you are well I've thought I've thoroughly enjoyed this you guys and yes I am I thank you for your time and I'm looking forward to seeing this out there in the world we had a time so I can I can you know post on my socials that it's coming cool okay and one last thing Aaron usually says it but I'll step in and say it if you have anything in the in the near future distribute anything coming up you want to reach out to us just to have his promote it on our social media and stuff like that always you know we're we're we're family we're in the same kind of result has a tearing out day or night thank you for that as well and just let people know I play every day yes all right well you ladies so much thank you well you guys two men hi what to say right now all right should I don't want to solely this with silliness you've already said too much yeah that that was that spoke for itself is we're gonna we're gonna do a commercial would be back in a in a minute so you made it to the end of the interview elation and you're waiting to hang out with us but first this you should probably be spoke something early on or dab something yeah what I what I'm talking about is you know if you're up in our area or whatever you're in go to your place but our place appears define premium cannabis and that's one of our fine sponsors and we have a location in Hillsboro and one in forest Grove I work at the Hillsboro shop I'm there five days a week Monday through Friday and you need to come visit us when you come in and make sure to say you're a listener no simple road we'll give you a ten percent discount and will give you a free T. shirt to wear back the second time you come in to get a fifteen percent discount and we will treat you like royalty we'll get you suited with I read you need to get your head your body street you know if you're if you're one of those folks that like when we first moved up to Portland I would well I was all excited because cannabis is legal up here and then we walked into a dispensary and it was like shock when I walked in I was I panicked like the first ten times you went into these battles are wild oh my god N. one of the things about the fine that's really awesome if you listen to no simple road if you go to the Hillsborough location Monday through Friday like apple said and and he's there one of us like actually one of the members of this podcast is there to help you through that really weird anxiety ridden process and if you're not one of those people that gets anxious when you go into a dispensary you get to go hang out with apple for a little while yeah the dispensary and he's gonna hook you up with I guarantee it'll be the best whatever it is you've ever had so defined premium cannabis so the first thing that comes to mind with David right first of all thank you David for hanging out with us again that was amazing N. you know just listening back to like a couple of minutes of it at at before we start recording this was right from the get go you get a sense of what an intelligent human being you're dealing with yes like that is a very very smart guy and witty and fun and funny he's an encyclopedia for all things dead end what an incredible memory slash lake musicianship he encompassed the entire culture in himself you know I mean like learn the music went to the show's writing about it talking about it was about and made a made a career out yeah like every being a dead head incredible incredible what had you heard thirties lived an incredible life and is very grateful yeah and gives good like wisdom yet will fascinate on about many subjects you know in every home culture like tribe there's always elders of the tribe and simply living long enough to be older is not qualification for being an elder you can be older and be a fuck card you know what I mean that yeah yeah yeah yes but I feel like folks like David are true elders of the Grateful Dead community and it's a it's really cool for for me like he's a little bit older than you and I and so that was the generation that was taking us under their wing when we were coming up yes and it's dope to see those people now the elders of the community and successful and have had life spanning careers in the scene N. able to make a go of it you know what I'm saying yeah it still adds involved if not more involved at this point like Dennis McNally and David Gans he's got you know excellent eve it's yeah it's it's their life and they love sharing it will you know I've been thinking a lot lately about like about new simple road and how it started and where it is now like we've come a long way from the porch it's been what how long has it been normal at least three hundred feet yes Hey my own how long has it been seriously July of twenty %HESITATION August of twenty seventeen yeah it's a twenty seventeen and we are currently in August of twenty twenty two to five years we've been doing the show actually July you will now we didn't put it out until August yeah okay but I am you know it I thought that it was mid July Alex like twenty seconds %HESITATION my mind anyway at the hour it's over five years it's been a hell of a journey and and when no simple road first started like that lately I've gone back and listen to some of the early episodes and the show was extremely grateful dead centric we hadn't mmhm broken out into the wider jam community too much a little bit but not too much N. over the course of the five years of doing no simple road we've really like did a one eighty what well not even that with like widened our scope yes your hosts so much so much N. but the roots of the show remain the Grateful Dead I would not there's on the dresser that sits behind my chair there's lake power items that I placed up there my Grateful Dead terror was up there there's a couple schools there's a picture of the three of us the little plaque this is family and there's a picture Jerry up there N. that's not like I didn't haphazardly put that up there that's up there because without him there is no this there's no whole lot of stuff yeah exactly this and %HESITATION David Gans Adlai odor while in the in the form that we're all in right there still be us but there would be no more in there wouldn't be a no simple road that's for damn sure and like yeah it's important to to know your roots and to understand where you come from N. to have to be able to look back and see the road map of how things have come together and and where you've come from and where you are now and like for David I can only imagine what that looks like to him looking back from whatever his first Grateful Dead show experience was right to meeting the band to writing books to hosting radio shows to being on Z. Grateful Dead Sirius XM channel like think about this man like back in eighty nine ninety ninety one we were trading tapes there was a Grateful Dead our on the radio once I think it was a once a month maybe or maybe even maybe it had been once a week but that was it like the thought that there would be grateful dead music on the radio all the time I channel dedicated to it all the time I couldn't even though yeah that wouldn't even be a thought in my head in one building %HESITATION like YouTube and stop and find all these performances the people of posted from Ollie back in the late sixties to to now yeah now it's crazy and I don't know like I said I've been thinking a lot about the show and and where it started and where we are now and like I'd like to hear what you guys think about it Blake where what you think about the progression of the show and and where it stands right now in relation to the Grateful Dead and and all of that Jaga Jaga okay tell us they will likely your talk about listening back to the earlier episodes and stuff and like going back for it when it went like months ago R. and then the other one are like friend Danny came over going back and listening to the beginning again like Aaron telling his story than me and then Aaron Amell star like our interaction to light like Hey here we are which was to all of us kind of scary yeah we would love to talk we are we're we're not that private but you know you shared going out there and sharing your life all sudden and introducing her like throwing it out there for everybody what was a trap and like now going back in late now that we shared so much of people know is sometimes better than we know ourselves because they listen we're we're we're spit that out and talking about it sometimes we we all do that we forget sometimes like oh we did talk about like how did that person know that it's like oh shit we talked about on the show three years ago in detail on several episodes but going back to beginning listen now we started it was like and then went to introducing said and Adam and some of our friends and like you know it was like the like writing about what you know it's what we knew at the time yeah and welcoming people in and we're all like family %HESITATION okay with like not knowing and they you all we're gonna listen right and then it started progressing today I remember big milestone was that aren't always very much admired Duncan Trussell and his podcast and was like you know screw it I'm gonna reach out to him and he got back we had him on the show and then also that start you know started booking casts and started getting a whole lot of right traction up here locally and started meeting local bands next thing we know local bands are reaching out to us wanted to be on the show because there are listeners would help broaden our horizon of just Grateful Dead staff to a bigger scope and then and then it just kept getting wider and wider and then jump forward to light was a two thousand eight yet two thousand eighteen when we went to high Sierra mmhm and that was like our first music festival and get in and that was that was a big one that really sticks out in my mind I listen today to show that said we all of us that was like our highlight at at that it was like November of twenty eighteen and upper so and we were like you you said a baby like that high Sierra was just the mountaintop moment for me and we were like all of us that yeah that that was our first big journey our does our first picture if that the hold listeners will know if you don't have to find out go back right about the whole do do limo thing it was such an adventure for us and it will you know quite a long haul driving from here to Quincy area up in the mountains and everything and then the NO Cyrus like helping us out and my gas and the names that we had on our roster to interview we were really feeling like we were hit and home run yeah ours who we were getting on yeah yeah and I also want to center at that point at that point like you were saying apple like up until that point that we're producing stuff that we just didn't like hanging out and didn't know what we were doing and each time was refining us yeah and then we got that our first festival under our belt and we're like holy shit okay this we can do this that was right for where was I okay we we can do this we can go to festivals we can be professional and then we did discolorations and a you know got invited by Dennis make now Dennis McNally reaches the inotes starts communicating with us and then we go to school on roses and got like it like getting his seal of approval for all of us I know you know it was it was like man you guys are awesome you're really do what you say you're on time yeah I love what you do and we weren't he sends us so many casts now yet and he easy he's a friend it's a it's a to be a part of that inner circled out like that like to even that he even knows who we are is like wow yeah yes I did while in and out like that that will blew us away that would to me there was another milestone like that getting to meet Dennis in person and get me has like his thumbs up Friday and his you know his his sly wink and thumbs up in approval and then then since then that it's just it's really taken off since that and that you feel about it apple like wool on limit let me get to that because and then after that part that that's were like we've talked about the engine was cranking weird a shovel in the call and we're getting ready for like every you know everybody that it for twenty twenty for what was going to calm and then we all know what happened the whole world got shut down and we panicked at first a little didn't quite know what was gonna happen and that actually turned into a beautiful thing because then all of sudden we have all these artists that captivated have been on the road like their whole life some of them you know have not had a break in you know ten fifteen twenty years and also in their own home like I remember the big wanted I just all always remember talking to David schools when he was so happy talking about that like like this sample of his thing as being there to see the peaches on his peach tree it was first time I'd seen it he said his wife always had to save peaches forum when he got off the road and gone home he never got to see them grow and go out and pick one like that you know the with the world's slowed down and shut down but it became a great thing for us it became our therapy are we now find out more and more as we're getting back out and meeting listeners that it was their therapy which and status yeah and still is and that I mean that is a monumental thing to get that kind of at nine praise but lately just feedback feedback for it it's amazing and that's continuing on now with the getting out to shows again now it at every show we meet more more listeners that are so sincere and so awesome and just like us and it's it's the most amazing thing it's like a social club we start and it's growing and growing and then they need them that's a great idea I am gay and get like a motional number that like then leave you know you know that we do this year we do %HESITATION stone roses finally got to go back there and enjoy that and further like prove ourselves and get acquainted with more people in that family and then go get invited to peach festival which you said that that was one out of the blue that was that that in blue hair in a way it's like all side it's like Hey here's live nation we like what you guys do you want to come to the peach festival on the east coast but %HESITATION where there we do that and then in the string summit and that that's a I mean we just put those episodes out while you're going to be here in the second while you're gonna be here in the is that struck off itself hi it is the second one is out here it'll when this comes out I'll be okay okay an area and it's it's just so heartwarming and amazing that that the the growth that we actually are obtained through the lock down when things were trying to stagnate it continue to grow and get stronger and and and that's a testament to what we're doing can it but what I want to know is like how do you feel I get that that's that's all cool right that's how history alive until I had my voices can be I feel amazing about this I tell you I mean coming through my voice I think the inflection of my boys get I feel amazing fucking happy awesome everything we do most recent one is and we'll talk a little bit more about this after we go through this but we just went to Billy strings last weekend for two days and had amazing experiences but one of the standouts there as far as like meeting people was a listener of ours Paul who has written into the show he personally he stopped me and was like I just wanna talk to you for a minute and he thanked me if your listener you've heard me talk about my medical issues and it was something he thanked me for he was having some colon issues retractable cold on the issues and thanks to me because it made him go to the doctor and he needed to and his wife also thanked me for doing that and I was like holy is like one of those things I was saying the other day like like bugs help one person it is true yeah it felt so good to get that feedback and then he also had reached out to Aaron because he had lost his father around the same time Aaron had ended to have that kind of connection with somebody and that they are you know that's been a while that he's been holding that he finally got to meet us and it was such a cool meeting and such a cool Haagen handshake and transaction and exchanging information room were brothers now wow it yeah and it's going to keep happening it is what's so awesome and so yeah I feel amazing about it is so the second part of this and now hang on a second because I well I I wanna say I really feel like apple kind of spoke a lot for the both of us and and and bringing that history up because it is relevant to what you're asking because it it kind of brings up all those feelings I know after a while apple and I not with the show the show is doing great but like we were kind of dealing with lake how involved and how much workload was on you whether like our attitudes grew through the show citing feeling like hearing all of that really just kind of makes me think about when you know it was more of a novelty to me the show is a novelty it wasn't something amid itin sitter does the a possible resource for finances let alone the new family members like I didn't know the hope of of what of what we were doing and so local copy yes this is what it felt like like a like we're doing a good puzzle together you know we're not going to sell our puzzle Noel is going to be it is it was something fun we're doing and I I mean I was very naive to think that now in hindsight but like I had to work through so many issues of like transparency sharing myself in like wanting to feel private and then being angry that we were spending all of our quote unquote like time family time like without our family like on you know sadly had to go through so many emotional struggles with the show like but when I look at it and on its own like as its own like Childers own being you can't not look back at it and be proud of everything that we've done right and like want to just do you and give more to it and it's so the thought process behind what I'm getting at like like I said I've been thinking about this a lot this past couple weeks and like like you guys said when we started doing this I also this was a hobby this you know I I'd I didn't ever think that we'd be doing a weekly podcast for five years thank you fucking kidding me I've never done anything like that before yeah but but here we are and like when you say that to the kind of brings a certain kind of reality to left yeah %HESITATION weekly podcast fifty two weeks yeah five years on times to some to maybe three or so then we yeah we've we've done a lot anyway with how do I say this like I can I can think what I'm want to say but I can't get it out right like okay five years in we're doing this thing like it's it's already like we've said it before they could no simple road is alive at the thing and it does what it wants in the books self and like all that stuff but like I think like okay cool here we are now where do we want to go right thank I don't I don't want in five years to still be sitting here in this chair in doing the same thing right five years ago we were sitting on the porch now we're here and we have all this amazing stuff that we've done in we have something beautiful yeah create and like so I've been thinking like what now more direction yeah that have just happened and not like this isn't enough I want more what next not I think today I think to me that we were like what you're saying to you is our love and dedication for this podcast and what we're doing we all love it so much that it's all we want to do it's what we want to do full time and give ourselves a hundred percent to it you know that that that's what we want to do none of us are like like all trying to figure out other things and stuff but we all want to be doing this and that's why you know like when we asked about you know like the patriotic sport and stuff that's what we're working towards that of getting the other distractions out of our lives that help pay the bills and things like that to to do this well all the time and grow and that's that's making it become other things like we've been doing right I've been able to get out on the road and come with like we say all the time it's one of our dreams to do is be able to honestly live on the road but who I mean who who knows but like be able to get out on the road to get back to the east coast and do runs and be out there and meet everybody right is a dream and so what I was thinking was like you know at some point and I think you both would agree with this that the moments that we've had doing live podcasting have been fucking amazing yes those peach live podcasts were stellar well and I was even thinking of when we were at summer meltdown that's that's the bottom line motor fan access to lie yeah N. there's we've created a community like this show has a community around so why wouldn't we be out engaging the community in a live setting thank it seems like the next logical step for no simple road right M. M. I. no I think you're absolutely right because that's one more her we've said it before people don't do part when you're out of at a at a show or at a festival nothing else matters you are one hundred percent there everything else is shut off that's when we get to be our best and give one hundred percent to the show like we're a peach there's that we're not paying attention to our work with what we got to go back to its not enough thought of what exists beyond that moment or before that moment it's about being in that moment and like that taking like going in and taking them to the community and not to shows and getting out there be able to get out there and be no simple road is what we want to do that that's that's what I've been thinking man it's like that seems like the next logical step for us and the it's not like there's no such thing as a live podcast that that's the thing N. O. Cyrus is doing a lot of it back east right now actually with the idea that I had a while back of like let's interview the musician and then have a show that's happening back east it should also be happening out west with us N. I just I guess where I'm coming from is like we've been blessed with this wonderful thing and I want to be the best care taker of it as I can you know what I mean and like I you guys call me the conductor and that's cute or whatever but like you've there's also coined yourself there isn't there's no yes there's no branding there has been no grand plan for this like I don't have a five year plan that I'm working towards some fuckin spreadsheet with dates that like okay you are very planned person you you do you do you plan things I'm not saying that I'm saying I don't I know what you mean with the show it's taken on its own life but this is also kind of the direction because you're like I want to start going to festivals and you did it I want to start doing live podcasts and we've done them I want to stay like we have it has been planned maybe to have in a spreadsheet that you had in your head and made it happen well isn't that and whatever the next thing is we wanted to do it and you know you asked that you know apple my thought about like our future and what I'd like to see in what I'm wanting to contributor whatever is like I because %HESITATION the show was five years old and there's we've had such a busy summer and new opportunities there's no way that I can ignore the you know what's happening like good there E. like there's growth taking place you need to step up on certain things and so I'm really trying to hone my skills in on like all the background stuff of stuff that I just didn't pay attention to our care about or care to learn and so that's stuff that since I left trader Joe's have been you know doing more and also like wanting to do an end doing currently like art pieces for the show for each episode for our our %HESITATION our previous gas is something that I've had in my mind to do and it just seemed like such a big undertaking so badly over two hundred guests but %HESITATION I really like start thinking about like you know no simple road is the legacy and there's this incredible backlog of stuff and I've got like my book in my a my journal and like all these ideas of like how to do somewhat like the you know like a like a scrapbook piece for each show and so that's something that's new that I've been working on a behind the scenes to try to contribute to our weather it'll be our merger just like other yearbook or something like that for us and for our you know our listeners and our family out there you know it though those are the things that I'm doing what I'm thinking about looking forward and travel is in our future and it has been in our future and doing more live stuff absolutely %HESITATION I'm just trying to like be able to take it all in and and learn in addition to do yeah in you know he is speaking about the legacy part of this lake for all you guys listening think about this for a second Mike if you were alive when Jerry was alive you know what it was like when he passed away it's it was it rocked us when Neil passed away that fuckin sucked N. because the huge ripple in in are seen in our community so much so that like people were writing tribute songs and playing his his covers and they put that highway butterfly album out they put out the album of his %HESITATION photographs in and all that and like what we what we have as it as it like the no simple road family what we've done together you guys and us by you guys listening every week and us putting the show's out is we've catalogued the last five years of this scene yes and like and there was nothing that was doing that prior to five years that I can think of no and like do you there there is interviews with Neil there's interviews with Donna N. Jeff and les Keller Williams howler and all these people in N. J. Gregg Marshall on the show with them yeah that was an amazing yeah and like hang out if those stories aren't preserved they disappear and that was something that was really impressed on me because of %HESITATION the ending of northwest string summit you know the twenty years of history is just gonna be gone and it's in the minds and hearts of the people that were there and other than that it doesn't exist anywhere and like yeah you can go you can watch like a set from northwestern summit on you tube and like but you're not getting the feeling from the community of that festival from watching the video no and like that goes for all of the stuff that we've had the opportunity to do and like the Grateful Dead community the family is so wide reaching it's something that like I had very narrow mmhm a very narrow perspective on what that meant when we started doing this and like I would say almost every musician not everyone but almost every musician that we've spoken to on the show has in some way shape or form been influenced by the Grateful Dead and that's saying something like that's huge and so to have the opportunity to like catalog a space in time like this is super fuckin route it really is it's super cool man man I don't take that shit lately that serious to me man that's like it's a big deal if somebody had had like when we first moved up here from from Vegas if somebody had come to me and then like a man I'm I want you to catalog the jam scene for the next five years N. be a voice I would I wouldn't have known what to do with myself I like what what what does that look like I would have you meet I would wanna win S. do and I would've gone off the rails to that's awesome about this is it started with the with a Mike on the porch and it is growing at start with that one little seed that will stand now is light pod do and forget on the scene reports and sending them in yeah you know like yes I you know also our life is about to change dramatically N. you know little miniature Segway it's still kind of relevant but you know when you lose a person whether it's through death through moving through not talking to them anymore it shifts your life if it's somebody that you see on a daily weekly semi regular basis it shifts your life but you don't get that energy in that presence anymore and then depending on how close you are you don't get that time it doesn't take up it doesn't take up that much time to you and I specifically but the our entire household we're about to go through a huge shift and anytime that happens it's it's hard to predict what the fallout gonna be because it's so new that we can't even see it yet right yeah our and our twenty year old son is getting ready to move to Eugene yeah he's about to move in you know and the lake I am kind of like anticipating and excited about the shift of the movement of furniture and cleaning and and getting rid of things and moving in the house yeah it's gonna be a big undertaking but it's like an opportunity to create something fresh and I feel like that's what you're talking about with the show like it it's not stale it's moved and graduated and become beautiful but it could use like a new rug you know it could use some new blinds yeah and also I feel like since we've moved up here I feel more connected to the changing of the seasons on the planet because because we actually have seasons well because we can literally look outside in one minute our trees are green and the next minute there's no leaves and we can see and you know and so like winter fall in winter time fall is all about the harvest and and stocking for the winter and like storing up getting ready for you know what I mean and it's also about like counting your blessings to yes because you're receiving all of these blessings your harvest and it's yes ignore alleging heart sharing that another thing like kind of like community so that's that's why this is not the only reason but one of the reasons that this is been on my mind is because like and I'm the only one I know I know how to get a hold is right around the corner no I know you guys listening understand this if you've been traveling and doing runs are the norm fish tour booster whatever like summer's been busy as fuck N. you're looking at your calendar right now and you're like okay there's like seven shows left and that's it you know what I mean then their harvest and we're waiting or in Mexico in February or whatever it is and at that time here okay great you did all the stuff this summer and that's wonderful and you had rad experiences and that's what it's all about but now what when it's harvest time and it's time to pull N. N. stock your pantry back up what are you putting in there right thank what what's what's going on the shelves what do you canning in metaphorical him not like N. I you know I sit down here I work from home right now N. my desk faces a big sliding glass window and I look outside and I'm so I'm in the studio slash office all day five days a week and I'm sitting here looking out the window and I'm literally watching it all happen the day today I'm watching this change go down with my environment you know what I mean and so it's affects me in my head two dozen sat in its met we talked with before that entrainment you're the closer you are to nature the more it the tunes you to it read them and because you're it's a visual part and you go out a lot to smoke here out in it as well so you're not just looking at it you're you're participating in it you're seeing it and so it's he it puts your cycles back into a natural rhythm and it makes you what can I do with my life what can I shed what can I grow what can I learn what can I share what can I leave out you know what can I do you know throw away mmhm yeah and and the other shows it has a cycle to yeah they definitely could use like okay we don't need those books anymore all right let's you know take this poster down put this one up like we need that as a family we need that as a couple as if he doesn't show we need as in the as a society even at the we need it we need to like clean up and regroup and come back with fresh stuff you know it it I hate to say no make an old guy right now in the in the world that we live in now it's everything is so transient and so fast N. move so quickly on to the next thing and like I think back to the last Grateful Dead album that came out and what the name of it was and like do you want to share that with the audience loved I don't know what it is they did it it's built to last not everybody's gonna know that well okay it's built to last and make the song is actually like literally telling you look for something that's built to last thank N. he didn't know that this was going to be the way things were in ninety five you know he had no fucking idea but here we are and I feel like with an S. R. we do have something that's built to last it it is it's it's because it's not just us sitting in here talking once a week it's those meetings at the shows that we were just talking about with our with our family of like amen I've listened to you guys and this happened or you guys got me through this or I feel like I know you guys or I didn't have anybody to go to that show with and you guys were there and I got to hang out and we danced all night or like that's a real shit that's not a thirty second Instagram real that's a real human connection that's happening that like you can't you can't break that no idea existed we talk about that before like even if if if we stopped right now and didn't do anymore shows we it was something built to last just like the Grateful Dead it's going to carry our friendships are everything that we have made from these five years would continue to carry on no matter what I saw it's built it is it's one reason I had as my first tattoo a for what it Erin FirstEnergy's me Grateful Dead was learning to tap to you I immediately picked that album cover I wanted on my shoulder that built to last is don't let this fucking strong I saw a picture from the Billy string show in Seattle of the reverts with Kenzo Amanda and Chris yes I saw that melted my heart hi I could I was looking dumbfounded by that and with Julia and Josh it lake is specific that was like when we were all together and what they sent us a picture with chase and Audrey and writer and everybody from Apollo sons and seeing that to me it couldn't make me happier it blew my mind like a free those of you that are listening like the ravers are friends of ours Ken's own Amanda are friends of ours that we and we met both of them all of them through no simple road kendo and Amanda won tickets to the pickin party and we met Bannon tiff at hearth west regrets having some and Kenzo and Amanda met at northwest string summit and then I am I'm scrolling Instagram and I see them all together and I was like holy shit that with that's no simple road family all together without %HESITATION well in the end they were to indeed if that was happening before we ever got a chance to meet a person like with me and out Nolan and how like people across the country that we are in a chance to meet personally at we're starting to hang out because they have the showing comments if y'all haven't noticed it's listening we're still excited about this thank you guys because we're still excited that you listen we're still out what I was gonna say earlier that I was holding hold on we went to the strings recently I was sitting at a like kind of holding our spot we had our little Aaron an apple into the bathroom Sydney had gone early Iraq will Sydney in a desperate gone I'm sitting there no it was actually me Jasper and Sydney had gone or whatever and I'm sitting there and one of our listeners and I wish she would have came closer and give me a hug her but you know it was we had just sat down and you know you think you disoriented at first like looking around you at you know who's around you and %HESITATION he came over and was like I love your show and eight that never gets old it never it just doesn't get old because I'm a dopamine hit yeah like you're listening you know who what what I look like to even find me in a crowd of however many hundreds of people right an end to end to Blake be like I'm gonna go say something do it like that to me that is better than a birthday present and it really is and I got a very like sweet %HESITATION personal text from Ben today all N. like exactly that relationship that the human I have is solely because of no simple wrote it's because of the show and like like you just said we still are excited about it like I'm still five years in like oh my god it's baffling A. L. yeah the I. N. the people that it's brought into our lives are the most amazing sweetheart beautiful human beings like I have a laundry list in my head right now of folks that I could just like fire off an each one is as red as the next can bring something super special to the table and the fact that they're hanging out independent of us Blake and becoming friends and going to shows together and that is what I've always wanted like if if if like when we were at northwestern summit Cody K. Cody was a hiding usually when it it if when I was a kid I wrote down a list of my favorite shit and exactly what I wanted this to look like this is it like something out of my head mate that's this week if when I was younger and on the road if somebody handed me a piece of paper was like if you could build the coolest community what would it look like and I made a list it would be this would be everything yeah that's one thing I love about them is that this is all of us one thing it's awesome about this community as we say is we are a bunch of like nomads and bag of vagabonds like we're willing on a moment's notice to drop everything and travel across the country spend everything we have go beyond our means to get to more the family across the country out of the country like everything to to get to that source of the love and meet more people and grow it I mean there's not a lot of communities like that now so what I just heard it as they were gonna come to the train and do shows with us a former pay for seven hundred dollars a miss pay my rant I'm down okay and then we got it right but this community is will it mean we're willing to do so my white one that stands out in my mind is Brad route from Iowa %HESITATION and we've met him at so many places now and see him he's he's like I I to be he's the mailing I don't well everything he posts is it is what it's like on the west coast east coast south bom bom bom is like everywhere and we don't have ice cream with this banner at home and we met him so many times now and had such great hang out every time we get to see him I mean that's this community is willing to do whatever it takes to B. together gap to be together you have N. N. a you know we're going into the fall and that's you know time to hang out with family and be home and sweep all the dust bunnies out from under your chair in your bed and can celebrate yeah you deliberate for you hunker down you want to clean it up you wanna die down symbols you know before you make that apple pie you go clean the kitchen you got to do these like basic little things and so by listen to mom I'm excited about what we're gonna bring you that we don't even know we're gonna bring you that's in the short term future that we haven't made up yet because it we have been inspired yet but it's going to happen and it's going to be cool and you're gonna love it and you're going to remember this seems like yeah Mel did say that yes we're gonna bring you some dope stuff and we're not gonna stop until something catastrophic happens basically no that's it I'll write about shit I don't even know about I am I'm excited about my project I don't know they're very inspiring to me and so I feel like when I'm inspired I whatever I'm touching or whatever I'm doing it's all you know you know it's got the G. U. it's like I said it's that time of year when when you clean up and you get everything ready and then you know the holidays come and then right after that is springtime and we're back at it again and it happens fast does it happens really fast it's I don't know if it's a phenomenon of aging or not now we could even say this for years now I mean we're older in age and it feels faster than before but we were saying this it goes for some time looking for these dumb cliches time is precious yes and you know we were joking the other day like %HESITATION Friday night and Saturday night we went and saw Billy strings in Edgefield and me Tel Aviv that Saturday night Billy strings show here at Edgefield while holy shit the mother fuckin strings totally get it anyway on Sunday morning we were covering on the porch with one eye crossed in my hair sticking up having a Cup of coffee and I got a text from %HESITATION my brother Ben and he was like I think it would be in all our best interest if we got in the car and drove up to Seattle and saw the naked Billy strings show up there N. everything in me wanted to go do that like you know what I mean I was like I really want but now since a very different I also wanted to get something to eat and rest and recover and I have some in the tank for this week in goose and all that but it's it's that kind of make Dr in that's the shit Blake being ready to go like that N. because and it it doesn't have anything to do with like anything other than wanting to be around the five and the people and that's fucking rad you know that's yes Superdome what not getting texts from %HESITATION delirious and fun you know I our family is hilarious and fun text from everybody we know that's one thing I love like we we all know each other about all these people together from no simple road but we all have our own we have our no simple road bond overall together like it shows a different day but they also have our own personal relationships with each of these people yes it was so easy I wish so badly in the side thing is an apple I. Billy strings he was like literally the social butterfly of these one the ball to that yes is like he had the beautiful down on he had to go say hi to everybody like it was like his party and it's my favorite what do you like Erin said it will I mean that's what we all what is live music being at a show I do I never feel so alive as when we're at a live show it's it's an amazing they just wanna run around rides we like Cody has that Kermit me yeah this is like well okay now I got to go over here now I got to go over here to go over here it yeah lot live living living life put live and live shit is is where it's at that is where it all being with each other and I'll tell you what man I have a brand new gratitude bone as far as that's concerned like you have a gratitude bone I do I do I have a extra bone in my finger for what attitude bone that I didn't have before for live music %HESITATION like I said before man I kind of took it for granted like they'll always be shows losing all okay you're going to go away when you talk about bands are going to disappear with the venues are gonna close that's what you're good %HESITATION yeah yeah she we appreciate everything a whole lot more and it makes it so much more valuable yeah what made my show even better because I only went to the Friday night show was Jasper fish Jennifer was the Belle of the ball thanks for hanging out with me in Jasper Billy strings thanks for being in the singing us into this beautiful and good the weather was perfect yes we had a cute little spot that way in the back Jasper was out the second social butterfly running around being cute it was it was a really beautiful memory let let me say let me set the scene for them too because this is my favorite thing because it what Jaspers it's going to be for Yahoo before November eleventh yes he's almost four and he is the most awesome happy go lucky little do but when we got there he won like happening he was like Billy strings worst critic ever he turned his little cute dog chaired the that was so cute to go bring my chair he's so worried about his chair we got it there set it up he turned it around back towards the stage towards Billy strings and everything I was sitting there with his arms crossed light light light up I'm not having this like that's how it started which it which is not unusual but more unusual than him being awesome kid around and around and everything but he's just sitting there and I tried to approach him it was like tomorrow but again he just like he just gave me that look like the donor yeah I was like okay we'll cut next thing I know the music started and and friends and everybody are coming around next thing I know he's up dance around he's got like a two foot long glow in the dark like caterpillar thing you can't remote that he is if he is so funny to heal he is a ladies man at barely four oh yeah we always pick somebody and like that night it was the pick to have to take them on a horror movie and I don't think he loves blondes yeah that's his favorite and he what he he was also he was my competition for Belle of the ball that night for sure he way he was a hit the next night our friends and stuff we're talking about Jasper from the night before I I took him I danced off with the V. as he was like I want to go closer I can't see him playing and I was like okay so I can grab Devon was dancing with them and took him down to the pit and when we got about two thirds of the way down to the pit he saw the stage and saw Billy strings and and Billy failing and all them up there and he like turned on like his eyes got big and he froze and was like enraptured with what was going on and he kept asking what the fiddle was yeah he was like what is that what's that instrument on the end what is that and I was like that's the fiddle he's like I'm gonna play the fiddle like that okay yeah you are and he was so blown away by the lights and then after about five minutes he tapped me on the shoulder and he was like all right grandpa I'm ready to go has like all right dude let's go back to the spot he got his input gotta download decide he's gonna kick ass on the fiddle hood someday and he's also Batman we covered that are that man and he is serious business he's not joking around like %HESITATION yeah Mike pretending there's no we'll pretend we're in there all M. Jasper knows like and and he had his on and off also like Sydney's Catwoman he talks to you know and I think Adam is the Riddler or I'm the flat I can't no I I can't be a superhero he specifically said it's for my mom and my dad know he can you know you could be flash but I couldn't be a superhero it was like it's no it's not like that and I was like okay it's not like you're Sydney sickle picture Erin before he left had sent him a little Batman costume the group is due and Sydney sent this incredible incredible video of him being Batman and it's too precious to nosh I'm maybe I'll share it because it's it's a bonus I'm right here what do you have yet I thought yeah it definitely check out his muscles IT is it is primarily textural problem yeah really what the men having their grandson with us at Billy strings was one of the highlights of a summer already filled with amazing highlights that's it would you add our personal family the one that we created and mix it in with our new simple road family at an incredible musical live event it's all of our favorite things in one location like I feel like nothing else could no and that's that's something that that struck me that night too did it mean it's happened before cassettes been to many shows with us but Chad Mendes show at this in a while there was friends and listeners of ours that wanted to come meet said the allies they know her so well from following her career and us talking about her like a slave that's Terrick all cities with you guys I got it where you at I got to come meet Sydney too that's the overspill kind of noticeable road on the family yeah when you're all our love and our kids because there are kids and you don't even know them thank you that's correct in the rat and sweet endings for making her feel at home you guys that that was really cool of all if you like she was feeling the love yes he doesn't and then the next day when the reverse hosted us they were so sweet to have us all over at their property and just spending time with them and Jasper again the rhythms around his magic he was so in love with just everything like the little pond there and the dog and just different he he loved everything about it and it was such a great last thing to do is a city's last day it was like the best way to spend it he picked someone that way D. got absolutely and while you're down as manager when they handling Graham loved out so I don't know what day this is going to come out but it'll be out before Thursday N. Thursdays goose so you just listen to all of us talk about all this if you're here in Portland and you're going to goose come say hi if you see this coming I can dance with us I mean even if from across the room like maybe you don't feel like going back to you guys all secret all three of us carry no simple road stickers not not all the time show times I forget %HESITATION we won't forget at this time I'll not say that sometimes I forget well I always have one noble road one of one of the three of us should have a sticker or something on those you see is that the show could give us a hug one of us will give you a sticker we always have hugs we all carry pockets full answers I don't run out of those now Musoma sleep plenty hike sometimes I do run out hugs I will say that when one of you I never do it shows I don't know I do I never ran out but I think %HESITATION I got a shit I wanna I'm not such a why not so I don't I don't know we've got spare hugs for Mel she runs out in Dhahran Saudi that yes %HESITATION come hang out with us a goose everybody and %HESITATION if if not we'll see you at Dicks in in a couple weeks we are two weeks away from six from four guys credible because that will what emails I look like a cartoon spinning around right now is you thought there was more time nope let's go yeah we're talking remember we're sitting here talking only went when it was %HESITATION March and we're like okay we gotta we discloses a couple weeks now here we are we're likely it's not gonna be too long about everything from the summer we are taking another no simple road family member Nate big red one all we met through the show he is the grand Pooh bah of the noticeable Rozier is we are taking we are we have the great honor of taking Nate to his very first Phish show N. I. M. S. %HESITATION excited to look at his face on Thursday night about four songs in no man I can't wait to see that face it's going to be great and I can't wait to see your face is to like I said we're gonna be podcasting live from there we're gonna be live streaming from shake it down so come get interviewed by no simple route at Dick's yeah anybody have anything to say before we take off thanks for always showing up every week thank you thank thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thanks for the memories we're not done Erin area no it thanks for the memories so far no memories continued thanks for the memories so far away we kind of went down memory lane memory lane here on this and it all to find out how you feel about the show what's the answer I mean we could go we could rewind in our B. like awesome Mel's like cool guys %HESITATION great about it thanks for joining us hang on apple yours was awesome well I was excited for what I don't know yet that was that was your guys his answers in short sighted but we're gonna create that we have %HESITATION graded yet then we don't know about my answer was you're the one who asked didn't didn't give an answer mmhm no UN summit up in one sense now you talked a lot I did or having a hard time getting out what you meant yeah that's right we'll we'll talk behind the scenes and we'll come back to next week and will report back and will integrate with every area which is one word synopsis I mean apple like they're gonna pay for the one word that we you know we feel thumbs up there and it's rad okay highlands sleazy J. rat rad man I love you guys we'll be back in a lot more stuff and things remember %HESITATION we have some one last announcement we are in the final weeks before camp sites we're gonna be potholes making of light podcasting renew podcasting live from camp suds if you're up here in the Portland or Eugene cottage Grove Oregon area grab your tickets man come see cycles sponge boating mo Jo a badly miss any mystic a bunch other amazing bands and us us log in Indonesia and all our peeps all our people and remember we also have %HESITATION cycles coming up an interview with cycles we have %HESITATION help me out guys now this is Roger ma'am ang we have Steve Kimock wears out so far we have some great shows in the can right now for you guys so hang tight we'll be back next week with more stuff and things we love you guys take care of each other smiles stranger safety third season thank you